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Old 11th March 2006, 07:32 AM
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I saw the word "frumpled" in the internet, and it can't be found in the dictionary while there are a lot "frumpled" being used in google search. Could you tell me what "frumpled" means exactly? Thank you.

* Evangeline Lilly Was "Frumpled": Ian Somerhalder (Boone) was the first to be cast; Evangeline Lilly was the last. Bryan Burk said she looked "frumpled" in the audition, and they asked her to do it again with her hair pulled back.

*Frumpled Fairy Tales

*my fine frumpled friend

*Our frumpled hair little beauty.

*The professorly, frumpled guy (whose name I can't recall but who is a liberal) was downright pro-Bush, compared to the "conservative" duo + Hume.

*Besides Buffy's all frumpled, she's never frumpled--I mean, look at her hair.
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Old 11th March 2006, 09:27 AM
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Frumple (verb) is listed in the OED.

As you would expect, it means wrinkled, crumpled or creased. That would fit with most of your examples.

The author of the Frumpled Fairy Tales probably liked the sound of the word.
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Old 11th March 2006, 11:47 AM
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Frumple (verb) is listed in the OED.

As you would expect, it means wrinkled, crumpled or creased. That would fit with most of your examples.

The author of the Frumpled Fairy Tales probably liked the sound of the word.
Thank you very much, panjandrum.
My dictionary doesn't have frumpled or frumple, so I thought it is a word made up by people nowadays. Thank you for offering the definition.
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Old 11th March 2006, 06:09 PM
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Frumpled is definitely not a new word
1398 The flesshe in the buttockes is fromplyd and knotty.
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Old 11th March 2006, 06:26 PM
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Frumpled is definitely not a new word
1398 The flesshe in the buttockes is fromplyd and knotty.
Two more words that can't be found in the dictionary: flesshe and fromplyd.

Flesshe can be seen in the google search but not fromplyd--there's zero searching list for fromplyd.

It's surprising that there are so many google searching numbers for "frumpled", which says it's a common used word, but not every dictionary has it.
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Old 11th March 2006, 06:32 PM
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Hi jokker,

You might wish to note that the quote as provided by panjandrum was from 1398, which makes it Middle English. The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is one of the only sources that provide such extensive use of words and their etymological roots.

Alas, while frumpled buttockes themselves have, unfortunately, not ceased to exist, the forms of the words flesshe and frompyld have evolved into the more modern flesh and frumpled.

I find it odd, as well, however, that frumpled (or frumple) fails to show up in my Random House unabridged dictionary, nor in any of the three online dictionaries I checked. It does exist in the Merriam-Webster's unabridged dictionary, and means creased or crumpled.

I did find several instances for frump, frumpy and/or frumpily. Odd thing is, frumpled fits very well into modern English.
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Old 11th March 2006, 06:50 PM
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Hi jokker,

You might wish to note that the quote as provided by panjandrum was from 1398, which makes it Middle English. The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) is one of the only sources that provide such extensive use of words and their etymological roots.

Alas, while frumpled buttockes themselves have, unfortunately, not ceased to exist, the forms of the words flesshe and frompyld have evolved into the more modern flesh and frumpled.
So it is...ah, thank you, GenJen54. Now I see the reason why. You have ended my puzzle. ^^
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I find it odd, as well, however, that frumpled (or frumple) fails to show up in my Random House unabridged dictionary, nor in any of the three online dictionaries I checked.
Yes! Yes, now I understand that they only hides in some dictionaries!
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Old 11th March 2006, 07:02 PM
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Frumpled is definitely not a new word
Now I see, it's because that "frumpled" is too old a word that sometimes it hides with its companions in some precious dictionaries.
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Old 11th March 2006, 09:11 PM
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jokker,
It was unkind of me not to explain flesshe and fromplyd when I quoted that old example. I'm sorry you had to look them up.
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Old 11th March 2006, 09:20 PM
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Re: frumpled
My dictionary doesn't provide the origin of the word "frump", or "frumpish" or "frumpy", but now I'm wondering whether they share a common root with "frumpled".

Anybody?
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Old 11th March 2006, 10:57 PM
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Re: frumpled
Very good question.
I just went to have a look.
The etymology of frump is not certain. The only suggestion is a possible connection with frumple

I'll summarise the story (based on OED definitions and etymologies).

To frumple (wrinkle, crumple) may come from Dutch verrompelen with the same meaning.

Frump (noun) may be a shortened form of frumple. The meaning has changed over time from a sneer or snort, to sulks and bad temper and then to a cross, grumpy old woman - no doubt with a frumpled face.

Sounds like you are right.
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Old 11th March 2006, 11:06 PM
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Interesting!

On this side of the pond, "frumpy" means somebody who is unkempt and many years behind the fashions. According to my Random House dictionary, a frump is a woman who is "dowdy, drab and unattractive".

I had no idea that it had different connotations over there.

Thank you for the research.
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Old 11th March 2006, 11:23 PM
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The etymology of frump is not certain. The only suggestion is a possible connection with frumple
Frump may not have an etymology, but in my family it had a genealogy. I have only to think of two particular maiden aunts. Fortunately many frumps tend to take the genes out of the pool when they leave.
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Old 11th March 2006, 11:58 PM
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Interesting!

On this side of the pond, "frumpy" means somebody who is unkempt and many years behind the fashions. According to my Random House dictionary, a frump is a woman who is "dowdy, drab and unattractive".

I had no idea that it had different connotations over there.

Thank you for the research.
It was my pleasure - I have learned a lot from this thread and it has been fun - especially in comparison with the other boring threads that are around today it's been a delight.

Sorry if I left out too much in my last post. The OED would support your understanding of a frump.

I think we are united this time.
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Old 17th March 2006, 08:32 AM
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Alas, while frumpled buttockes themselves have, unfortunately, not ceased to exist, the forms of the words flesshe and frompyld have evolved into the more modernflesh and frumpled.
Excuse me. What does this "buttockes" mean here? "Buttock" means one of the fleshy parts of your body that you sit on, as the dictionary says. But it seems not fitting here...
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Old 17th March 2006, 08:38 AM
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Frump may not have an etymology, but in my family it had a genealogy. I have only to think of two particular maiden aunts. Fortunately many frumps tend to take the genes out of the pool when they leave.
Excuse me, maxiogee. May I ask what "the pool" means here? Does it refer to "gene pool" or something else? And why is it fortunate for those frumps to tend to take the frumpy genes out of the pool when they leave?

Edit: Fortunate to produce more frumps??
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Old 17th March 2006, 11:42 AM
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Excuse me, maxiogee. May I ask what "the pool" means here? Does it refer to "gene pool" or something else? And why is it fortunate for those frumps to tend to take the frumpy genes out of the pool when they leave?
Yes, 'pool' means 'the gene pool'.
It is fortunate that they take the genes out of the gene pool because I consider 'frumpiness' an undesirable trait in humanity.
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Old 17th March 2006, 02:12 PM
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Yes, 'pool' means 'the gene pool'.
It is fortunate that they take the genes out of the gene pool because I consider 'frumpiness' an undesirable trait in humanity.
Thank you for your further explanation, maxiogee.
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Old 17th March 2006, 02:14 PM
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Interesting!

On this side of the pond, "frumpy" means somebody who is unkempt and many years behind the fashions. According to my Random House dictionary, a frump is a woman who is "dowdy, drab and unattractive".

I had no idea that it had different connotations over there.

Thank you for the research.
Thank you for the excellent discussion between you and panjandrum.
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